Brad Milkey

And if you're joining us, it's because you just listened to the latest series from ABC Audio in 2020, Blood and Water.

In this series, a 20-year-old murder case was reexamined.

The killer turned out to be the person nobody would have expected.

Leslie Prier was murdered by her daughter's high school boyfriend, Eugene Gligor.

Gligor initially denied he was responsible, but later admitted his guilt in court.

Stephanie Ramos reported the story for 2020 last year, and of course, hosted this podcast.

And today, I've got Stephanie here with me to ask exactly what it was like reporting out the story.

And she's got some fresh reporting that you have not heard yet.

Stephanie, thanks so much for being here.

So first off, I wanted to ask you, I had forgotten this was one of your first like big sort of 2020 investigations that you were sort of leading the charge on.

What was it like just as a reporter, you know, learning about this case and going through it all?

And trying to figure out kind of like who knows what, when, too.

It seems so specific to this case.

There's still news breaking as you're putting it together.

And that's the thing is when we first discovered Eugene Gligor was responsible for killing Leslie Prier, I couldn't stop thinking about Lauren.

Because how do you even begin to wrap your mind around the idea that the person you went to prom with, you probably haven't thought about them most days since then, murdered your mom?

We heard a lot of police tape in this series.

We heard Sandy Prier's interviews with the initial case detectives through to Eugene Gligor's interview with cold case detectives 20 years later.

By the way, that's some of the most compelling tape I have heard in a long time.

And I love that you guys just let it play because you see how bizarre this back and forth is with this guy breaking down.