Brad Milkey

Well, so, OK, so then there's the D.A. who has a lot of power in this case. There's the judge who theoretically has even more power. Right. He could even deny the D.A. 's request here. Then there's the governor of California. Right. In any case, I know we talk about death row, but can't the governor like commute their sentences if he felt like it?

Okay, so next steps, Matt? I mean, because this is all happening, all of us after 35 years, it's all happening very quickly. What happens next?

Okay, so next steps, Matt? I mean, because this is all happening, all of us after 35 years, it's all happening very quickly. What happens next?

What's the big takeaway from all this, Matt, at the end of the day? You've been sitting with this case now for years, and all this is changing right now. I mean, what is so resonant about this at this moment?

What's the big takeaway from all this, Matt, at the end of the day? You've been sitting with this case now for years, and all this is changing right now. I mean, what is so resonant about this at this moment?

Right. And can our definitions of justice shift over time, even when we write laws that we treat as permanent, like life without the possibility of parole? Matt Gutman, our chief national correspondent, thank you so much for being here. Thanks, Brad. Now, let's check in on some of the other biggest true crime headlines that are making waves this week.

Right. And can our definitions of justice shift over time, even when we write laws that we treat as permanent, like life without the possibility of parole? Matt Gutman, our chief national correspondent, thank you so much for being here. Thanks, Brad. Now, let's check in on some of the other biggest true crime headlines that are making waves this week.

First up, the rapper Sean Kingston and his mother, Janice Turner, were found guilty of committing more than a million dollars in wire fraud in their federal trial last week. Authorities presented evidence showing the pair used fake wire transfer receipts to obtain jewelry, a Cadillac Escalade and furniture.

First up, the rapper Sean Kingston and his mother, Janice Turner, were found guilty of committing more than a million dollars in wire fraud in their federal trial last week. Authorities presented evidence showing the pair used fake wire transfer receipts to obtain jewelry, a Cadillac Escalade and furniture.

A key piece of evidence here was a text message from Kingston to his mother that read, I told you to make a fake receipt, followed by, so it looks like the transfer will be there in a couple of days. The mother and son are scheduled to be sentenced on July 11th.

A key piece of evidence here was a text message from Kingston to his mother that read, I told you to make a fake receipt, followed by, so it looks like the transfer will be there in a couple of days. The mother and son are scheduled to be sentenced on July 11th.

Next up, Jodi Hildebrandt, who was a co-defendant in the case of mommy vlogger turned convicted child abuser Ruby Frankie, is now challenging her own conviction.

Next up, Jodi Hildebrandt, who was a co-defendant in the case of mommy vlogger turned convicted child abuser Ruby Frankie, is now challenging her own conviction.

Hildebrandt pleaded guilty to abusing Ruby Frankie's two youngest children, but in a new filing, Hildebrandt alleges she did not understand her rights when she entered that guilty plea, saying she had ineffective counsel and was denied due process. She's also claiming prosecutorial misconduct.

Hildebrandt pleaded guilty to abusing Ruby Frankie's two youngest children, but in a new filing, Hildebrandt alleges she did not understand her rights when she entered that guilty plea, saying she had ineffective counsel and was denied due process. She's also claiming prosecutorial misconduct.

In related news, the divorce of Ruby and Kevin Franke is now final, and Kevin Franke was given full custody of the four children who are still minors. Lastly, an anesthesiologist named Gerhard Koenig has been charged with trying to kill his wife on a Hawaii hiking trail.

In related news, the divorce of Ruby and Kevin Franke is now final, and Kevin Franke was given full custody of the four children who are still minors. Lastly, an anesthesiologist named Gerhard Koenig has been charged with trying to kill his wife on a Hawaii hiking trail.

The wife wrote in a petition for a temporary restraining order that her husband pushed her toward the edge of a cliff before attempting to inject her with a syringe. A judge signed an order saying Koenig must stay away from his wife and their children. No plea has been entered. All right, and that will do it for this week's episode of The Crime Scene. Thank you so much for being with us.

The wife wrote in a petition for a temporary restraining order that her husband pushed her toward the edge of a cliff before attempting to inject her with a syringe. A judge signed an order saying Koenig must stay away from his wife and their children. No plea has been entered. All right, and that will do it for this week's episode of The Crime Scene. Thank you so much for being with us.

The Crime Scene Weekly is a production of ABC Audio, produced by Nora Ritchie. Our supervising producer is Susie Liu. Mixing by Shane McKeon. Special thanks to Liz Alessi, Tara Gimbel, and Emily Schutz. Josh Kohan is our director of podcast programming. Laura Mayer is our executive producer. I'm Brad Milkey, and I'll see you next week at The Crime Scene.