Brad Milkey

I remember this. He was going home for the holidays, right?

What were his lawyers objecting to?

What were his lawyers objecting to?

Oh, so they're like, hey, it's not cool that, A, you're using genealogy to find out, oh, this links to your dad somehow. And B, that you're doing all these hopscotches with DNA, which, by the way, you got through a trash collection company.

Oh, so they're like, hey, it's not cool that, A, you're using genealogy to find out, oh, this links to your dad somehow. And B, that you're doing all these hopscotches with DNA, which, by the way, you got through a trash collection company.

Hey, and when we're talking about Koberger, he's in custody right now. There's the chance that he could face the death penalty. And yet that is one of the other big developments recently, right? Can you walk us through that?

Hey, and when we're talking about Koberger, he's in custody right now. There's the chance that he could face the death penalty. And yet that is one of the other big developments recently, right? Can you walk us through that?

Oh, like his mannerisms might make him seem less sympathetic or seem less caring, but maybe it's related to his disorder.

Oh, like his mannerisms might make him seem less sympathetic or seem less caring, but maybe it's related to his disorder.

Well, and so at the end of the day, Kena, I mean, with this audio that you guys have obtained, I guess, how does this sort of affect your overall view of the case and where it goes next? Because there have been so many twists and turns.

Well, and so at the end of the day, Kena, I mean, with this audio that you guys have obtained, I guess, how does this sort of affect your overall view of the case and where it goes next? Because there have been so many twists and turns.

And actually, we got a reply filing this week on that purchase. The defense is arguing that the Amazon account was used by the whole Koberger family, meaning the knife could have been purchased, yes, but not necessarily, they say, by Brian Koberger.

And actually, we got a reply filing this week on that purchase. The defense is arguing that the Amazon account was used by the whole Koberger family, meaning the knife could have been purchased, yes, but not necessarily, they say, by Brian Koberger.

Wow. And trial starts in August. Kena Whitworth, I know you'll be there. Thank you so much.

Wow. And trial starts in August. Kena Whitworth, I know you'll be there. Thank you so much.

Now, as I mentioned at the very top of this episode, after Kena and I recorded this conversation, we got some late-breaking news. ABC has gotten their hands on a filing that was released Wednesday afternoon, like this Wednesday. The filing includes some stunning details about Brian Koberger. So I've called up Kena to get the latest. Kena, thank you for coming back on short notice.

Now, as I mentioned at the very top of this episode, after Kena and I recorded this conversation, we got some late-breaking news. ABC has gotten their hands on a filing that was released Wednesday afternoon, like this Wednesday. The filing includes some stunning details about Brian Koberger. So I've called up Kena to get the latest. Kena, thank you for coming back on short notice.

You've had a little bit of time with this filing. What can you tell us about it?

You've had a little bit of time with this filing. What can you tell us about it?

But you're saying this is specifically about what police will be looking for at a crime scene, like deep knowledge of what authorities would want to get their hands on.