Brady Holmer

is cited as the minimum recommendation.

It might not be enough if the goal was to kind of maintain cardiovascular structure throughout life.

And if it's not, you know, maybe you need to make it in your structure of your life in such a way that it should be.

You know, Dr. Levine had a great quote where he says, you know, exercise needs to be part of your personal hygiene.

It's like brushing your teeth.

You wake up, you know, it's not something that you think, oh, should I do this?

It's I'm going to wake up and I'm going to do this because it's part of your personal hygiene.

And so I think there's a lot of talk sometimes about if we prescribe the recommendations for exercise too high, does that deter people from doing it?

And maybe, but I mean, the reality is I think he presents compelling data that if we want to get serious about it and you're really serious about not aging cardiovascularly, like you need to probably do more exercise.

And so I think it's kind of a harsh reality, but just something for people to think about and have them structure their training.

Oh, it's definitely exercise.

Drink coffee and exercise.

You just, you make the, you make the time for it.

And I'm, you know, that has to be the case a lot.

I think,

The paradox kind of is that most people tend to exercise more when they're younger, which is kind of when you need less exercise.

I think as you get older, you probably need to do more exercise.

And that's, I think, what the evidence that Dr. Levine presents would indicate, too.

But I also feel like as people get older, they might have a little bit more free time.

Once you get into your 40s and 50s and 60s, you're reaching, you know, your kids are out of the house, you know, you're maybe still working a job.