Braxton McCoy

We've got more ground to take care of and

What happens really quickly with the homestead act type stuff is the further west you get, the more arid and austere the ground gets.

So now we've got to go from 160-acre homestead acts to 300 or 380 or whatever it was, and then all the way up to sections of land because it takes more land to be able to make a living on.

Then we end up... Again, I'm just giving you a very broad... Then we end up with...

timber barren problem and it wasn't just that you know the robber baron concept it wasn't just timber barons it was you know people that were over grazing and things like that too but to speak straight to the timber baron thing that they were going out and just clear cutting entire forests

You know, they're trying to make money, man.

And there was this idea in America, you see it with stuff like the Buffalo, too, where this was a totally endless resource that you could never actually extinguish.

So I don't even think they were that terrible of people.

I really think that they thought there was going to be another timber section and another.

And, you know, by the time they got to the end, perhaps this other stuff would have been grown back, I think is kind of their mindset.

But...

That was not what was happening.

And then enter a guy called Pinoche.

And I could be saying his name wrong, but he was friends with Teddy.

And they're part of the Boone and Crockett Club that Teddy put together.

And his dad was a timber baron.

And instead of passing that business down to his son to go do the same thing, he kind of had this ethos of you're going to fix the stuff that I screwed up because I overdid this.

So he sends him off to forestry school in like Florida or not Florida, I'm sorry, France, Germany.

And he goes and learns about forestry management.

And then he comes back and ends up working with Teddy on the preservation of these forests.