Braxton McCoy

And this is after, of course, the Forest Act was put in place, I think, in 1891.

So we'd had a couple of presidents who'd made some national forests before Teddy.

But Teddy and Pinoche come in, and they're the ones that really get after it.

I think they established like 100 national forests.

to be preserved.

And I, another thing I love about those two is they, they both were like men's men.

They love the box.

They would go down in the basement and fight each other all the time.

And then they go back up and just like work on policy.

It's like a barracks, you know what I mean?

So like this guy's not a pussy, you know?

And I guess I would say he's not a communist either.

And this is kind of where the ethos of preservation and protection starts, in my opinion.

And that's, again, a broad overview.

That's good.

That's good.

Yeah, it depends on how... So a thing they like to do is use the term federal land.

Now, that is...

A thing certain politicians really like to do is use terms that have a colloquial meaning and a more legalistic meaning.

So they'll use terms like federal land because that is how it's written in a lot of these acts.