Brené Brown

Um, but it was like game, game recognizes game.

He had a wall.

Yeah.

And so we had long conversations about our walls and, and slowly through those conversations, we just, those walls crumbled with each other and we've been together now for 38 years.

Wow.

Yeah.

Um, the hardest thing I've ever done in my life, bar none, dude, nothing has been harder when I started dating Steve.

Well, when we got married, six months after we got married, this is, you know, you said for you, love was going to be being a prisoner and having to just shut down to survive.

Right.

Run away.

Run away.

Um, for me, six months after we were married, I went to go see a therapist and I said, I cannot do this.

I got to get out of this marriage.

And we had dated off and on for seven years before we got married.

And I said, I got to get out.

And she said, I could, this is hard.

I, I could see how this is not working.

And I was like, I had a twinge of defensiveness about Steve.

And I said, what do you mean?

And she said, um,