Brené Brown

So Costa and McRae, who did a lot of the pioneering work to create the big five personality traits in personality psychology, they actually identified those aesthetic chills, the goosebumps or shivers on your spine when you're appreciating art, music, poetry, I would add natural beauty as well, as a universal marker across cultures of being open to new experiences.

And so somebody who's open-minded and open-hearted is more likely to get those chills.

I'm not going there.

I'm sorry.

That is not my terrain.

I want to hear about your favorite paradox or least favorite.

That's good.

It took me a second.

Thank you.

I'm like, wait, is this, is this Phil Collins Genesis?

I've heard about it a little, not much.

Tell me more.

I mean, have Glazer and Strauss ever been the subject of an entire podcast before?

So helpful.

Yet, not only does it make sense, where have you been in every, I feel like about half the people I work with think I'm a gritty facts person and the other half think I'm a gritty faith person because I'm always trying to add the one that's missing.

And get people to understand we got to do both.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But like, but then you get pigeonholed as the person who's always complaining or, you know, like being a negative, what is it?

A negative Nancy, a nervous Nelly.