Brené Brown

I'll tell you what, though.

I actually have a bridge back to that, which is... I will walk over it with you, Adam Grant.

Here we go.

Ready?

Yeah.

I was actually thinking that one of the ways that you know whether teammates really trust each other is whether they show up for each other when something hard happens personally.

I think that's true.

And here's the other thing.

You can also evaluate...

the leadership of a team by how willing they are to excavate the grief that's in the locker room.

And not just about losing, but I mean, like I think about, you know, I'm a big Liverpool fan.

Arnie Slott was just let go by Liverpool

And I think about the work that needs to be done with that team, not on the pitch, but off the pitch, about the death of one of the closest brothers on that team and his younger brother that were killed.

And how much of that work did they surface and do?

And this is everything we're talking about right here, if you'll allow me just a one-minute soliloquy here.

This mythology that if I don't mention the miscarriage, it won't hurt.

Wrong.

The idea that if I say something to you when you come back from leave about, I'm really sorry to hear about your dad.

that that's being, you know, generous.

And then the idea that if we don't talk to the players about the grief they're drowning in about the loss of a teammate, that it's better for performance.