Brendan Carr

It's the full control of individuals that is achieved through

through this mind control process without having a massive secret police.

It's one thing for the Soviet Union to do it.

It's another thing for Maoist China to do it.

But to operate on an individual or much smaller basis, that's obviously what you see going on in cults.

But I break this down and do conditioning, and I start with Pavlov first.

fascinating stuff about ivan pavlov nobel laureate and really the beginning of our scientific uh conception of understanding that what your brain is taking in affects your body directly right and there's this you get into the sort of the reflex uh and the conditional reflex which is initially what it was called we call it you know conditioning now it's a whole

a series of behavioralism training, but conditional reflex.

But here's what Pavlov learned that was really interesting, Glenn.

There was a, it was at the time, it was Leningrad, St.

Petersburg, they've changed name a bunch of times, but there was a flood at his lab and the dogs in the lab almost drowned.

And it was one of these things where the water was rising, the water was rising, these dogs... I'm a huge dog person, so I get upset just thinking about this.

But the dogs were freaking out and freaking out.

The lab technician, not Pavlov, got there, freed the dogs last minute, and they had...

not only a complete erasure of the conditioning that they had had because of this trauma, they also had extreme behavioral changes apart from that, meaning some that were docile became aggressive, some that were aggressive became docile.

So this set this light off.

And you know who thought it was really interesting that there was this new series of behavioralism training going on?

Lenin himself.

Lenin.

Yeah.