Brenden Nel

There's been some suggestions that there's this culture of doping in the spring box and things like that, which is totally ridiculous because those players get tested so much.

There is a problem in South African rugby, schoolboy rugby, with doping that's quite widespread.

John Walker wins the 1500 metres gold medal at the Olympic Games.

It's not that bad.

But you know, Monty, we journalists, we have to buy our own laptops and we don't get company issued ones.

So to end up buying one and using it way past what other people replace theirs with.

So this one's about six, seven years old, but still doing the job.

And while it does, hopefully I can still use it.

So it takes a while to load up though.

Okay, look, I mean, I think you've got to put it in perspective.

There is a problem in South African rugby, schoolboy rugby with doping.

That's quite widespread.

And that's partly because SA Rugby has no control over the schools.

So to go into a school, you need the school's governing body to give you permission.

You need the Department of Education to give you permission.

You need a whole bunch of things.

And SA rugby's got no control over the schools.

So while the schools say they don't do it, there's another colleague of ours, Clinton van den Berghe, who's done a great book about

what goes on in schools there with creatine and other stuff that they give the kids.

But professional rugby, this whole thing started with Ireland.