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Are the Springboks DRUG cheats? | Brenden Nel Hits Back
21 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What evidence supports the claim of doping in South African rugby?
There's been some suggestions that there's this culture of doping in the spring box and things like that, which is totally ridiculous because those players get tested so much.
When you get on social media, there's just anonymous people smearing other people's reputations, widespread allegations, all of that kind of stuff. Conspiracy theories abounding.
There is a problem in South African rugby, schoolboy rugby, with doping that's quite widespread.
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Chapter 2: How does social media influence perceptions of doping allegations?
Click on that YouTube channel. Always helps trying to get to 30,000 subscribers, trying to match our man Nell in South Africa. It's another thing we're sadly lagging behind. I'm sure he'll remind me about which team is the back-to-back world champions right now. Although he is gracious enough to admit they poisoned our hamburgers in 1995. And the ref was dodgy. Oh, stop it, mate.
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Chapter 3: What are the operational challenges of drug testing in South African rugby?
Before we start, I just want to quote a message from you. And this was just minutes ago. Starting up the computer will be on shortly. I don't know what kind of internet you've got over there, but this just reminds me of 25 years ago when you used to get into the office and you'd hit that button, you'd flick this on. How primitive is it?
It's not that bad. But you know, Monty, we journalists, we have to buy our own laptops and we don't get company issued ones. So to end up buying one and using it way past what other people replace theirs with. So this one's about six, seven years old, but still doing the job. And while it does, hopefully I can still use it. So it takes a while to load up though.
Very good point because any time there was ever talk in the house of getting a new laptop, the children got that one. And their tech is way up today. All right, I want to start with the most thorny thing first, Brendan, and the drug taking. Now, this is a huge issue, and I know that you've been all over this as well.
Brendan has, of course, been a very well-respected journalist in South Africa and around the rugby world for two or more decades, probably three decades now, worked for Supersport and is still one of the most trusted voices in South African rugby. We've got another guy, and I'm not even going to try and butcher the pronunciation of his name, but he's self-declared, and I hope it's Asante.
I hope I pronounced that right. Look, there's been a perception for a while, whether it is true or not, whether it is fair or not, about the rise of South African rugby and, conversely, the... reduction in amount of drug testing. So I want you to kind of address that as well as this and just what fans there think about this, how much talk there's been around this. Give us your perspective on.
Okay, look, I mean, I think you've got to put it in perspective. There is a problem in South African rugby, schoolboy rugby with doping. That's quite widespread. And that's partly because SA Rugby has no control over the schools. So to go into a school, you need the school's governing body to give you permission. You need the Department of Education to give you permission.
You need a whole bunch of things. And SA rugby's got no control over the schools. So while the schools say they don't do it, there's another colleague of ours, Clinton van den Berghe, who's done a great book about what goes on in schools there with creatine and other stuff that they give the kids. But professional rugby, this whole thing started with Ireland.
In the 2019 World Cup, there was a pitch of the Springboks in the change room, all buff, shirts off. Yeah, and they've just gone through a hell of a training camp. They're looking great. And then, of course, somebody in Ireland started the story, and it always tends to start in Ireland, doesn't it? But somebody started the story about why they're looking so buff.
And at the same time, there was a positive doping test of, I think it was Apiwe Deyanti, about three months before the World Cup. He was injured. He went and took something dodgy. He got caught, and he got banned for two years. Look, I mean, players, yeah, and their players are always going to do something dodgy. And I think the world over is the same.
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Chapter 4: What led to the recent drug testing controversies involving the Springboks?
Technically it is, but it's not, as I say, it's an asterisk on his name.
Okay, well explained. I'll just add in that other sports around the world come up with all kinds of excuses to why an athlete, I look at Yannick Sinner and it's just disgraceful the way that that was handled. But, you know, some athletes get treated differently from others. And we just never hear about the drug testing.
We never hear or are told how many times it happens, whether it's random, why certain players are selected. Are the drug testers just able to walk into, say, for example, an all-black camp and just start? We don't know any of this. And all the time I spend around rugby, I've never seen a drug tester at all. I wouldn't even know one if he actually walked into the building.
How much of it actually does go on? How often are the players tested in Super Rugby? How often are they tested in the URC? How often are they tested in the top 14? Why aren't the drug testing, whoever the agencies are, really forthright and open about this? We should have a long list, shouldn't we? I was here on this day, I was here on this day, I was here on this day.
Three players, nine players, 27 players. Why don't we get told this information?
Look, I mean, part of it is because they're trying to catch people. And that's the thing. If you tell somebody, players and those ones who want to do stuff wrong will try and engineer it that they don't get caught. So part of it is because there has to be random surprise testing.
And I know of cases here of players who've been on a Sunday morning in their pyjamas and the guys turn up at half past seven at their house, at their front door. Sorry, guys, my dogs are just, they're hearing your voice, Marty, and they think somebody's at the door.
No, no, no, they're hearing the voice of the prospective world champions coming, and they're getting all agitated, I can understand.
I mean, that's part of it. The other thing is it does get done randomly in testing. Players know, and I don't know where they do it. I mean, I've never, I've just heard of times where we've been at press conferences a lot and, you know, guys have sort of been late for press conferences because he's doing a drug test. Okay. So you have that every now and again. So it does, it is done randomly.
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Chapter 5: What weight-loss methods are under scrutiny in rugby?
I tell you what, knock, knock. I'll leave you with this.
Who's that?
South African locks. I hear you're a bit short at the moment.
Not really. Not really. I can rattle off a list for you if you're ready. No, listen. Molly, I think what you must realize is that all these other games we want to win, we'll watch all the Australian games, we'll watch your guys' games in that Nations Championship. I think Rossi put it best, the Nations Championship isn't the most important thing this year.
The greatest rivalry is what matters to us all. Those four test matches, and especially those three in South Africa, I've got a feeling that fourth one's going to be a bit of a... A damn squib at the end of the day.
Well, Brendan, it's going to mean something. Look, if one side's down 2-1, they're going to be desperate to win that one because it's called a four-test series. It is a three-test series. We all know that. What counts is the results in South Africa. That's what counts to all of us who are long in the tooth because this is what it's about. It's about winning at your place.
It's not about winning on the moon. It's about winning in your backyard, like you want to win in our backyard, right?
Yeah. No, exactly. And I think especially after Wellington last year, and I've got to remind you of Wellington last year, especially after that, that was probably the most complete performance I've seen from a Springbok team in New Zealand ever. And that was the youngsters, eh? That was the youngsters that did that.
And I think there will be some All Blacks that want to give payback, and that's great. And there's a challenge to be met there. And I think the Springbok players are relishing it. And I think as just a journo and a long-time fan of these rivalries, I can't wait. I can't wait. You guys are going to be out there. We're going to be bribing together.
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