Brene Brown

What kind of public health directive are they considering? You know, to segregate them in a place that was, you know, dirty water, lots of insects under tremendous heat was essentially putting them in life-threatening conditions. Nothing could be more medically dangerous than to put 220 to 250 immunosuppressed people in unsanitary conditions in a prison camp.

What kind of public health directive are they considering? You know, to segregate them in a place that was, you know, dirty water, lots of insects under tremendous heat was essentially putting them in life-threatening conditions. Nothing could be more medically dangerous than to put 220 to 250 immunosuppressed people in unsanitary conditions in a prison camp.

If one person got sick of an infectious disease, everybody would get it. And so that group of people who we called HIV-positives became our most dramatic concern.

If one person got sick of an infectious disease, everybody would get it. And so that group of people who we called HIV-positives became our most dramatic concern.

Well, the first argument was that they needed lawyers. I don't know if you've seen the great case Gideon against Wainwright, which is you have a right to a lawyer before you're sentenced to a felony. These people were potentially being sent back to their death, and they didn't have lawyers. So it started as a case about Gideon against Wainwright.

Well, the first argument was that they needed lawyers. I don't know if you've seen the great case Gideon against Wainwright, which is you have a right to a lawyer before you're sentenced to a felony. These people were potentially being sent back to their death, and they didn't have lawyers. So it started as a case about Gideon against Wainwright.

But then it became a case about the detention of people on Guantanamo. So it became like Korematsu, the Japanese internment case. Can you hold people of color in a detention camp without charging them with any sort of crime?

But then it became a case about the detention of people on Guantanamo. So it became like Korematsu, the Japanese internment case. Can you hold people of color in a detention camp without charging them with any sort of crime?

You have to go to the clerk's office and put your name on the wheel, which means you get whatever judge is randomly selected. So I was standing there with the opposing counsel from the U.S. attorney's office, and they spun the wheel.

You have to go to the clerk's office and put your name on the wheel, which means you get whatever judge is randomly selected. So I was standing there with the opposing counsel from the U.S. attorney's office, and they spun the wheel.

Yeah, that's how you get your judge. They literally spin a wheel.

Yeah, that's how you get your judge. They literally spin a wheel.

Every court in the country, every federal court in the country, yeah. Go on the wheel is the term. So they pulled the judge's name out from the available duty judges and said Sterling Johnson Jr.

Every court in the country, every federal court in the country, yeah. Go on the wheel is the term. So they pulled the judge's name out from the available duty judges and said Sterling Johnson Jr.

And then we went over to the courtroom to wait to go in to see him. And my co-counsel, Michael Ratner, dear friend, looked in and he goes, Harold, he's black. Now, it turned out that he was a Republican. He had been a police officer. But also in his time, he had been a military guard on Guantanamo.

And then we went over to the courtroom to wait to go in to see him. And my co-counsel, Michael Ratner, dear friend, looked in and he goes, Harold, he's black. Now, it turned out that he was a Republican. He had been a police officer. But also in his time, he had been a military guard on Guantanamo.

I could tell he was wary, but interested. And he wasn't buying the government's position, but he wasn't necessarily buying ours either. And no civilian lawyer had been to Guantanamo to that point ever. The government was allowing almost everybody else to go to the island. Filmmakers, piano tuners had been down there, but not lawyers.

I could tell he was wary, but interested. And he wasn't buying the government's position, but he wasn't necessarily buying ours either. And no civilian lawyer had been to Guantanamo to that point ever. The government was allowing almost everybody else to go to the island. Filmmakers, piano tuners had been down there, but not lawyers.

And at one point in the first hearing, they said, we're going to bring out a general so-and-so to testify. And we're going to bring down the Solicitor General of the United States, Ken Starr. And Judge Johnson said, I'm from Bed-Stuy, which essentially meant you can't intimidate me. And then we thought, well, gee, we have a chance.

And at one point in the first hearing, they said, we're going to bring out a general so-and-so to testify. And we're going to bring down the Solicitor General of the United States, Ken Starr. And Judge Johnson said, I'm from Bed-Stuy, which essentially meant you can't intimidate me. And then we thought, well, gee, we have a chance.