Brent Norling

Yeah, yeah.

And then I think there's also a few, there's quite a few issues in the construction industry.

There's also things like getting that last 10% out of your head contractor is notoriously difficult.

Um, and so it just creates cashflow issues.

Um, so with retentions, um, it's just, I've just seen so many companies now they have an obligation to hold retentions.

Um, and then they go into liquidation and there's no retentions held.

It's just been spent.

Really?

And they're usually held back for things like defects, um, to allow, you know, is that there's some incentive and motivation to come back on site, fix any issues.

Um, but yeah, I think retention needs tightening up because it's becoming a bit of a theme.

Directors can be personally liable.

You know, like I've heard the latest on teak construction.

I'm not involved with that matter.

But, you know, I've heard that retentions weren't held and that there is going to be litigation against the directors.

Yeah.

Um, so, you know, directors can be personally liable for those types of breaches.

Um, directors can be personally liable for all sorts of, um, director breaches.

Um, you know, if, for example, if, if, if the company was trading insolvently, um, the directors can be held personally liable for all debts incurred during that insolvent period.

It's kind of worth covering off because I mean, last year that got a lot easier, so

I think back to like Mainzeal, I think the legal fees on that were like $20 or $25 million.