Brené Brown

And otherwise, why are we here?

How do you get teams to recognize that they need both?

I mean, you just gave a near verbatim analysis of part of the power of the MLK, I have a dream speech.

Have you seen the Nancy Duarte analysis of this?

It's so good.

And what I had not seen until she made it so clear is exactly what you're describing now, which is that he spends most of the first part of the speech just talking about the brutal reality of what is.

and describing the check that could not be cashed, the promissory note that basically was not good.

And talking about this situation that is completely unacceptable.

And it takes him 11 minutes of his 17-ish before he even says the word dream because he has to first make it clear that the president is not okay before people will accept his vision of a better future.

First, in his case, because they were so brutal.

But then the toggling, like here's what is, but here's what could be.

But in order to get from here to there, here's what we need to believe and do.

I mean, it's the dimensions of hope.

I think you captured it much better than I just did, but you could overlay what you just said onto the arc of that speech and it mirrors so beautifully.

Yeah, is it blind faith?

Is it delusional optimism?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.