Brené Brown

Some people would say it's like waiting for the other shoe to drop.

It's just in moments of joy, if we're not practiced in... The people who can lean into joy, we found, had one thing in common, and that's a very strong gratitude practice.

That when they're in joy, they can say, I'm really grateful for this moment.

I would say for the majority of people we've interviewed, real true joy, deep joy, like a spiritual sense of being interconnected in love is vulnerable.

Yeah, I think maybe not for everyone, but when...

Over 90% of parents say, yeah, the deepest moments of joy trigger insane fear in me.

I think it's the same thing.

But I can't think of a moment.

You know, see if you can make sense of this.

This is interesting.

I'm so curious about your reaction to all this.

One of the things we found in our early research is that some people choose to never get too high in emotion or too low.

And the reason why they don't get too high in emotion is they don't want to feel disappointment.

Yeah.

So they choose to live disappointed rather than feel disappointed.

You know, they choose just to think, eh, it's okay right now, but it'll be bad in a little bit.

Or this is nice now, but it'll turn soon.

And I just, I hearkened back to an interview with a man who was in his 70s.

And he and his wife were in an automobile accident and she was killed.

And he told me his greatest regret was never leaning into the great moments out of fear that they'd be taken away because now he had not accumulated those across his life.