Sober AF, Michael Scott Phobia, and How to Politely End a Conversation
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The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
1h 1m
3 speakers
8 chapters
transcribed 4 months ago
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What personal milestone does Brené celebrate in this episode?
Three topics for today. One, let's chat sobriety and my 30 years. I have some interesting thoughts I want to run by you. Two, we're going to talk about not just the office, but why I'm incapable of watching shows that people love. And three, we'll talk about the art and science of gently leading conversations.
How does Brené's sobriety journey relate to personal change?
How's that sound?
I mean, that's the perfect way to exit this conversation is to talk about how to get out of one.
Welcome to The Curiosity Shop.
A show from the Fox Media Podcast Network.
Hi, everyone. I'm Brené Brown.
And I'm Adam Grant.
Okay. I thought we'd start with a new question because John and Julie Gottman, who I absolutely love the Gottman's work, are celebrating their 30th anniversary. And they taught me this question. I use it with Steve.
What insights does Brené share about grieving for joy?
It's such a good question. What's on your heart and mind?
Am I supposed to have different answers to both?
I don't know. It depends on how far apart they live in your mind, in your body, I guess. But what's on your heart and mind today, this week, that we can talk about?
Well, 30 years. I mean, did you forget your post?
Oh, yes. John and Jay Gottman are celebrating their 30th anniversary, and I am celebrating 30 years of sobriety.
Congratulations, Brene.
Thank you.
Why can't Brené watch The Office despite its popularity?
Definitely want to talk about that. It's really exciting. Okay, we'll talk about sobriety. I am dying to talk to you about this conversation. I've had a small version of it with you. And then I spent an hour and a half talking to... My kids, so Charlie, Ellen, and Ellen's new husband, JT. I spent like an hour talking to them about this. I cannot watch the shows that y'all all love, starting with The Office, which is a collection of some of my favorite actors of all time, but I cannot watch it. And so I want to get into why I can't watch it, and then I need you to cure me.
I definitely need to cure you. I'm not okay with this. You have to watch The Office.
Okay. And then the last thing we're going to talk, what, tell me.
What are the psychological effects of cringe-worthy moments in media?
Well, there's one other thing I want to talk about, which is we were at a conference together and you mastered, well, you did a masterclass in something that I've been struggling with. And I want to talk about what your tricks are.
What is it?
Leaving conversations. How to exit it.
I love that I'm a specialist in leaving conversations.
How can one leave conversations respectfully and gracefully?
That checks out. Okay, we have talked about this before, and I wasn't sure if we were going to talk about it today, so I prepped with a lit review on leaving conversations. I'm going to tell you why. I was curious. I had this weird experience, I don't know, maybe 15 years ago, when the TED Talk on vulnerability went viral. I saw someone like duo my talk and do a running commentary over the top of it. And I was so fascinated because this guy, this guy kept saying things. Like here, you'll notice that she engineers a quarter of an inch head turn and moves her hips this way when she does a four second pause and moves her left foot. This is conveying. And I was like, what is he freaking talking about? Like, why?
What is this like post game analysis that none of those things were in my head? Or listen to the pause here and then look how, you know, have you ever seen people do that where they try to like build a system off something?
What is the shortcut to exiting a conversation without discomfort?
I have. Have you seen this? We're even guilty of doing that.
Yeah. Oh, that's true.
What shows are Brené and Adam currently watching?
We are guilty of doing that sometimes. But I'm talking about the people who don't do it well. Just kidding. So I was curious about how I think about leaving conversations because we have talked about this before. And then I was curious what the literature said. So we'll get to that.
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Okay, where do you want to jump in?
I think we have to start with sobriety. I think, first of all, you have to take us back to 30 years ago.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What personal milestone does Brené celebrate in this episode?
0:00–0:25
2
How does Brené's sobriety journey relate to personal change?
0:25–1:02
3
What insights does Brené share about grieving for joy?
1:02–1:34
4
Why can't Brené watch The Office despite its popularity?
1:34–2:24
5
What are the psychological effects of cringe-worthy moments in media?
2:24–2:45
6
How can one leave conversations respectfully and gracefully?
2:45–3:55
7
What is the shortcut to exiting a conversation without discomfort?
3:55–4:00
8
What shows are Brené and Adam currently watching?
4:00–1:01:56
Speakers
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