Brené Brown

Okay.

So I...

I've been thinking about it, and I did pull an interesting lit review, which I actually think is helpful to talk about some of the research, because I didn't really have words for what I did until I read the literature.

The way I always think about it in my mind was I always thought about it, even tried to teach it to my kids with this metaphor, rip the Band-Aid off and leave some relational sticky.

Yeah, that's how I always thought about it.

Like I'm going to, I'm going to exit stage left when I'm ready and when I need to, but I am going to do it in a way that's highly relational.

And so had I not read the lit review preparing for this conversation, I wouldn't have understood what I was doing.

So this is like a win for research.

So, um,

I'm, I'm going to do these things.

I didn't know they were, I didn't know they had names.

Have you ever had that experience with research?

Like you're like, here's what I do intuitively and then here's, isn't it wild?

God, I love it.

I love it.

So why do I love it so much?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes, it gives me language.

Because, you know, it's not helpful to say, well, just, you got to rip off the conversation in like a Band-Aid, Adam, but just make sure you leave some relational stickiness on that person when you pull it off.