Brené Brown

And I was so fascinated because this guy, this guy kept saying things.

Like here, you'll notice that she engineers a quarter of an inch head turn and moves her hips this way when she does a four second pause and moves her left foot.

This is conveying.

And I was like, what is he freaking talking about?

Like, why?

What is this like post game analysis that none of those things were in my head?

Or listen to the pause here and then look how, you know, have you ever seen people do that where they try to like build a system off something?

Yeah.

Oh, that's true.

We are guilty of doing that sometimes.

But I'm talking about the people who don't do it well.

Just kidding.

So I was curious about how I think about leaving conversations because we have talked about this before.

And then I was curious what the literature said.

So we'll get to that.

Okay, where do you want to jump in?

This will be really interesting for you, I think, because I often say that my sobriety, I attribute my sobriety to the final project.

One of the final projects in my MSW program, my Masters of Social Work program, was to create a family genogram.

Are you familiar with a genogram?

It's a map of your family that uses different shapes and arrows and dotted lines to understand their relationships.