Brené Brown

I mean,

I don't want to overstate this, but it seems like the medical community is five minutes away from just basically saying the shit's poison.

And all the early findings about, you know, three glasses of wine will do you good to like, no, no, no, we're not sure this is good at all.

So I think it's changing.

I think just outside of recovery, the story is rock bottom.

And

The power of community, one of my favorite sayings is the opposite of addiction is not sobriety.

The opposite of addiction is connection.

And so it's a connection-fueled program.

And sitting in a room with people who, even having gone to some jailhouse meetings, you can look at anybody.

Maybe they killed someone in a drinking accident.

I mean, you can look at anyone and think, oh, well, there but for the grace of God, you know?

And I think that's part of the power of it.

But for me, it was much more of a thinking bottom.

Mm-mm.

I did.

It was very deliberate and very intentional.

And I think because I didn't have a physical addiction, and I was very clear that I didn't have a physical addiction to alcohol.

I remember Steve saying, I mean, you drink less than most of your friends.

And I was like, that's a really dangerous indictment of the folks I'm hanging out with.