Brené Brown

Maybe not.

Carefully optimistic vulnerable.

Yeah, that's probably right.

Like you're cognitively a believer and trying to move the rest of you to it.

You've got the journalistic ethos of equal opportunity, insatiable, curious guy, right?

What do you think the responsibility is of someone who has a platform that

to vet or understand the credibility, especially when it comes to science or those kind of things, of what their guest is saying?

But that in itself...

Is a decision.

It's not a choice without consequence either.

I really respect that.

I just want to say, I don't think that that choice

is the easy choice.

Do you think the easy choice is I'm going to let you say whatever you want and I'll let my listeners sort out if it's real or not.

And I'll take no responsibility for the credibility or the facts that are being presented.

Um,

What I think is interesting about what you're doing is it just seems like a very solid approach where I'm a big believer in science.

I'm married to a physician.

I'm a social scientist.

I'm not going to be the golden child of this administration when it comes to science, for sure.