Brett Igoe

I don't think that's fair.

And I also don't think it's fair to call the other teams juggernauts.

Don't tell me Leinster aren't at least on par with...

everyone outside of France, because they're above all of those, I would say.

Yeah, you get the franchise player in Bath and everything else, but Leinster have an embarrassment of riches.

So we can't go talking about juggernauts in the game.

They should absolutely be beating French opposition with how they're set up.

So I don't really take that.

And I think Leo is...

I don't know if it's just his style of speaking, but there's a kind of confrontational edge where he's always asking the question back, like, we're under pressure, aren't we?

Like, it's the way it goes, isn't it?

You know, and I think there's kind of, like, it's almost, it feels more confrontational than it used to be.

But to be fair to Leo, like, he's always been very level-headed in how he kind of recalls the game, whether he takes notes very well or he can recall it very well.

He always has a logical response, but there's a little bit of...

There's a little bit of spikiness after coming in this year and I think he's just sick of, do you know what, maybe it's going through the system and they're having to repay some of their central contracts and they're a victim of their own success and there's a bit of bitterness I think creeping in because of that and maybe they feel their hands are tied behind their back and reaching that fifth star through the IRFU and everything else but speculation, obviously it's very clear there's pressure there and there's a lot going on behind the scenes.

no we've actually spoken about it on car con buses with a couple of the backs going Jesus look what he's coaching like and to be fair now we had a nice run of training against the Irish under 20s in car con around that Christmas window where they come down and play development games and stuff like that and I remember Noel bringing the team over and so well structured lovely fella to speak to afterwards and you know when you see an Irish coach going over to a club like that with star power and keeping them under control having a bringing an edge to their attack like we're all very happy for a fella like that aren't we yeah oh definitely yeah

Yeah, I don't know if you've heard about him, a young prospect in Irish rugby.

But I have been speaking about him because, and I'm no talent ID expert, but Brad, I suppose, we played against Armagh and we had James McNabney and Jude Possilweight destroying us in various moments in games.

And like that, it's very similar to...

Neil, what you said about McCluskey, his ability, actually, if you said, you know, he wouldn't coach them.