Brian Brushwood

Yes, it has been for 20 years, although we moved around a lot before then.

My dad worked in the oil biz, so I lived in California, parts of Texas, Colorado, overseas in Norway for a year, which I think really helped to shape my desire to continue to travel with the job.

Got it.

It depends because there's a wide, there's a wide variety.

Some of them will open up to revenues, uh, participation.

How is yours working?

Um, I, it depends on the project.

So it's like the independent podcasts are all directly listener supported.

And then, you know, we negotiate whatever we can for, uh, for an ad based on how popular, uh, those podcasts are.

Um, the, uh, scam school is a combination of a flat fee for, for hosting and production, uh, and then, uh, participation in revenues.

And then, um, the, uh,

Hacking the system.

Whereas hacking the system was just a straight up, you know, it's like I pitched them the idea, they loved it.

Well, they do things in piecemeal.

When they try a pilot, they say, hey, we'll pay you this much to come out and do a pilot.

And then they'll run it and they'll see how they- What is this much?

Like 20 grand, 50 grand, 100 grand?

Oh, no, no.

It's much less than you'd think.

Because at the time, it was my first television gig.