Brian Gerkey

For me, like the value of what we've built manifests itself when there is a robot that's using our tools that is doing useful work for that customer.

That is, you know, that's where I want all of us as an industry to get to.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

You know, I encourage our team to use the, increasingly I encourage, I should say, you know, I learned a program a long time ago and that gives me maybe like a somewhat skeptical bias against the new tools.

I think that's fair.

I'm really, but I'm coming around on that and now actively encouraging our team to pick up the latest tools because they are, they're getting better and they're getting better so quickly that you'd be crazy to ignore them.

So the kind of productivity that you get out of the latest so-called agentic development tools, it can be extraordinary.

So yeah, we're absolutely using those.

And we're expecting our customers and our users to use them as well, which means we need to think about how do we make our software kind of amenable to use by those tools.

Yeah.

Yeah, I did.

When I was in middle school, we were living in Georgia, and I had the great privilege to go to the space camp in Huntsville, Alabama, which was amazing.

You get to wear a jumpsuit the whole week and kind of learn a lot about the space program, kind of pretend to be an astronaut in a lot of ways.

That was fantastic.

At that point, like every kid who had that experience, I thought, I'm going to be an astronaut.

And it turns out I'm not an astronaut.

That's okay.

But we, along the way, especially when I was running the previous company, Open Robotics, I took every opportunity to work with NASA.

Like any time that our friends and colleagues at NASA called and said, hey, we've got this like crazy research project.