Brian Hayes

And it's now conducive to those types of players being able to come in and really make a difference.

Well, I mean, Gavin's a heck of a player.

I don't think there's any question about it.

But if you think there's a better player, then I think that you have to make sure that you evaluate what it is.

If you're worried about the consensus, you're worried about the wrong things.

Les Jackson, who I worked with for a long time, said, I'd rather be wrong with my opinion than right with somebody else's.

And that's the courage part, Brian.

And if you've got scouts that aren't ready to do that, get rid of them.

Because you don't want scouts that aren't going to stand up.

You know, I'll go right back to Cale McCarr.

Leon Ludwig...

who played in the NHL, was a longtime scout.

And this story was told to me by the late Ray Shero, a dear friend.

He said, Jan came into the meetings, and we were talking, and it was Hischer, McCarr, he said, I think this McCarr could be like Bobby Orr.

And everybody around the table was like, what, Bobby Orr?

And Jan said, yeah, the way he controls the game and everything.

Well, I'll tell you, Nico Hischer's a really good player.

They should have listened to Jan Ludwig.

Yes.

And he did.