Brian Klaas
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544 appearances
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3 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard 7 Feb
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And so, you know, I think there's some of these lessons that I've incorporated where you just sort of have to think, you know, we're all in this ride that is extremely bizarre, contingent, swayed by randomness, swayed by luck, et cetera. And we're happy to be here. We're lucky to be here.
And that every moment that I have is influencing the future in some ripple effect that I don't know how it's going to play out. There's something so magical and awe-inspiring about that. that it has just utterly transformed how I think about my life. And it's made me a much happier person.
So what's interesting is that a lot of people, they first encounter my ideas or the ideas of chance and randomness, and they become nihilists, right? Nothing matters. And my argument is no, everything matters, even the tiniest stuff. And if you fixate on that idea, your life will always have meaning and always feel important. And I think that's one of the secrets to a happy life.
I think that there's a lot of the world that we try to explain with neat and tidy stories, right? And I'm a social scientist and social science is trying to sort of use trends and patterns and say where we're heading. And we always sort of, you know, I think we overly simplify the world to do that.
And sometimes when you're writing historical narratives, the same thing happens that, oh, of course, this was inevitable because the great trends of history brought us to this moment. Every time that I started to look more deeply into anything that happened, whether it was in history or a case that I was studying in my social science research, all of that sort of fell by the wayside.
And it became utterly clear to me that the idiosyncratic personalities, the small decisions, the tiny little flukes were things that swayed history forever. And of course, We don't know when they're going to be consequential, right? I mean, this is the thing is that sometimes a tiny decision doesn't really sway history that much. And other times it redirects the course of the future forever.
And I think that the sort of narratives that we build around telling stories of where we, how we ended up where we are today, write that out. They pretend it's meaningless noise. And so I'm trying to correct that and argue that the small stuff really matters.
Well, it sort of builds the narrative sequentially through a series of sort of claims, right? So the first one is that the world is much more swayed by the arbitrary and the accidental than we imagine. And I start with a story about the atomic bomb, which I think we'll probably get to in a moment. So I won't talk about that yet.
But I sort of am illustrating that this is something where throughout history, these accidental changes have happened. And then I explain why it happens. And the reason why it happens is because of chaos theory, which is effectively that when you have a complex interconnected system, which we all live within, right? We live within this system of 8 billion interacting humans.
that what somebody does halfway around the world, even somebody long dead, can have a ripple effect that affects the trajectory of our lives. And of course, we were extremely clearly illustrated this point a couple of years ago in the pandemic hit, because one person getting infected in Wuhan, you know, changed the world.
And of course, history operates like this too, where you can have, you know, the World War I example, which we can talk about as well, of a single person getting assassinated, and then all of a sudden you have millions of deaths.
So that aspect of interconnection is really important to the book, the sort of ripple effects of our actions and the sort of unforeseeable consequences of small behavioral changes and so on. And then I try to argue why we pretend otherwise, right? Why our brains have basically evolved to draw in neat and tidy stories about how the world works.
And of course, you know, it would be really boring and annoying to read history books that don't have a narrative because our brain has evolved to crave it. So, like, what would you do? You know, the story of World War Two and it's just a list of facts. You need to stitch them together.
But I think that even though that's the way we make sense of the world and it's the way we make sense of history, I think it's important for us to understand that. That it's a bias, right? It's called narrative bias. And it's something where we misunderstand the world if we overly clean up the sort of details of history and make them fit into these sort of neat and tidy boxes.
And then there's sort of the philosophy of this, right? The sort of questions about how much can we know about the world? How much can we forecast the future? If history pivots on the tiny details, maybe this is one of the reasons why the 21st century has been a series of calamities that have sort of blindsided us.
Because we like to pretend that we know what's happening and we know the cause and effect relationships, but if the tiny little details are changing the world... then in some ways it's going to be impossible to forecast the future.
And that's something that I think flies in the face of some of the hubris we have around things like AI and so on, where people imagine, oh, we're just one data model away from knowing what's coming next. And I basically argue that that's not true.
Yeah, it does. And it depends how far you go back, right? Because there's sort of there's this period where Britain is not always an island. I mean, it eventually becomes an island 8000 years ago when this landslide in Norway created a tsunami that permanently cut off, or at least up until now, cut off Britain completely and made it an island.
And that is, of course, one of the reasons why the Navy is so important to British history. And then once you develop naval superpowers in the sort of British Empire, you need a lot of trees because you need to build the ships. And so what happens during this period as the Navy rises in Britain is that they basically decimate a lot of the old forest trees.
And they just, you know, there's this voracious desire for tall timber. And so the British landscape is forever changed. I mean, there's still remnants that you can see in terms of how different and deforested it is because the Royal Navy in the 18th century took in an estimated 1.2 million trees down in order to build these ships. So there's this sort of unmet demand for
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