Brian McDermott

Because it's not working.

Because the number, all the metrics... Go with me, go with me, go with me.

It's not working.

What's not working?

And what I'm saying is that is not one person's fault.

There's no fault to that.

And you're trying to grow something which you're going to have to start asking a question.

Can it grow in the current format that it is now?

My opinion is it's been as good as it's ever going to get.

That's my opinion.

You think it's at its absolute peak?

No, I don't think it's at its absolute peak now.

It's been as good as it's ever going to get.

It's not as good anymore, but it's been as good in those periods that we're talking about as it's ever going to get while they've got 11 clubs in and off England and one in France.

For over 100 and whatever years now,

Rugby League's been trying to morph itself into something bigger with growth, with expansion.

And the product on the field has never been the issue.

This really gets my... I cannot understand how some very intelligent guys, some really intelligent guys and club owners and maybe people in the governing body, okay, think it's the product on the field which is preventing growth.

It's not.

It never is.