Brian Watson

There's quite a few of us that started 2010, 2011, 2012

And, you know, for seven or eight years, it was the land of milk and honey.

You know, everything was growing.

Everything was up.

The tide was coming in.

The tide's going out, as it does in a lot of industries.

It'll come back again.

It's just a case of when.

No one really knows what's coming next.

We seem to have had year after year of challenges.

2019, the land of milk and honey, seems so long ago that every year, whether it's a CO2 crisis or it's inflationary pressures, you know, survive to 25%.

or it's obviously COVID and then the shipping crisis after that.

It's just been one thing after another.

So it's not one thing that's providing consolation in the industry.

It's really a series of things which all kind of stack up on one another.

Well, brewers are generally kegs as a fact of life.

The most effective and best for the climate, it's a returnable situation.

The best way to get your beer into customers' hands is on draft.

And that requires kegs, you know, 30 litre, 20 litre, 50 litre kegs.

And that means that you've got to be able to fill them, ship them, get them back and clean them and fill them again.