Brittany Luce

I don't know, how do you think changing notions of whiteness factor into all of this?

I mean, like, and not just considered a Nazi, as I also think we need to kind of clarify, you would be perhaps socially ostracized for saying something like that.

It would be, if people didn't think it was racist, they would at least think it was a very poor taste.

Like before, I suppose, let's say as a thought exercise, if you were a person of color, if you were say a black person, right?

And you were like, I'm really trying to get down with some of the things that the KKK and the Nazis are talking about.

They're going to see you and not want you in the club.

You can't go to the meeting.

You can't hang out with them.

That's not how it's going to work.

Well, yeah, and I can also see how that's like that kind of visibility for, you know, maybe someone like a Nicki Minaj or Snoop Dogg or...

Or even someone like Nick Fuentes or Candace Owens.

The Trump embrace of those kinds of people when they have happened, I could see how that might signal to someone who feels disenfranchised by liberal elites on the left or rather in the camp of Democrats.

I could see a way, given everything you've just laid out, that they might look disenfranchised.

at that Trump table, right, where, as you say, if you agree with him or if you agree with his doctrine, then you may possibly be able to get a seat at the table if you get enough visibility.

Yeah, that might feel welcoming.

That might make you feel seen.

That is, I'm sorry, a lot of things are adding up as I'm talking to you.

Russell, I don't think I'm the only one getting whiplash when I see these examples in the news, examples like Jesus Ochoa and Raimundo Gutierrez, two Customs and Border Patrol agents accused of shooting Alex Preti in Minneapolis.

They seem to have Spanish names, which feels ironic given how there are so many examples of CBP agents targeting Latino communities.

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