Chapter 1: What recent cultural shifts indicate a multiracial MAGA movement?
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I think the path to whiteness has widened. Where in the past, if you were a black conservative or Latino conservative, you could engage in conservative spaces, but you were never accepted as fully white. Now it's different. Those structures are now allowing Black people and Latinos to enter as long as they endorse certain ideas.
We've never had that phenomenon before. Okay, y'all, I've been seeing a mix of different stories in the news that each seem unsettling on their own, but I'm starting to put together the pieces, and I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing what I'm seeing. Walk with me.
First, we got Nicki Minaj's pivot to the right, which has been long brewing, but sort of crystallized in this moment where she joined Turning Point USA's Erika Kirk on stage for a special dialogue. Nicki Minaj now refers to herself as President Trump's number one fan.
And she's the latest in a line of rappers who have moved from being Trump-critical to openly admiring the president and his policies. And if we turn to the matter of arrests and fatal confrontations involving the Department of Homeland Security, let me throw some numbers at you.
According to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, as of August 2025, about 23% of the overall DHS workforce identifies as Hispanic or Latino. For Customs and Border Patrol, that number jumps to 50%. This may not capture the large influx of new agents that have joined the Immigration and Customs Enforcement as of recent, but these are the numbers as of last August.
It feels like we're in a moment where people of various racial backgrounds are on the front lines of our current culture wars and not fighting for the side you might assume. Now, I'm obviously not talking about the majority of any one group of people, but these examples are making culturally impactful moments that have me scratching my head and wondering, how the hell did we get here?
To think this through, I'm here with Axios' senior race and justice reporter, Russell Contreras. Russell, welcome back to It's Been a Minute. It's good to be with you. It's been a minute, definitely. Hello, hello. I'm Brittany Luce, and you're listening to It's Been a Minute from NPR, a show about what's going on in culture and why it doesn't happen by accident. It's been a minute.
There's something that feels very unique to me about this moment as far as like this multicultural far right that we're seeing kind of fomenting. Like I said, not the majority of people of color, but... There are some very prominent, loud voices that are creating these really culturally impactful moments. What is unique about why this is all coalescing right now in this really big, obvious way?
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Chapter 2: How has Nicki Minaj's political stance evolved recently?
I don't know, how do you think changing notions of whiteness factor into all of this?
Well, this is like critical race theory 101, right? Definitions of race are constantly changing and structuring and revolving to keep various systems in play.
I think the path to whiteness has widened, where in the past, if you were a black conservative or Latino conservative, you could engage in conservative spaces, but you were never accepted as fully white because of barriers that were in place. Now some of those barriers have been lifted and in spaces that path has opened up.
For example, if you are a black conservative and we have a rich black conservative tradition in the United States with a lot of diversity all over the place. True. I think the difference here is that you've had a lot of fringe ideas based on white supremacy, like, say, great replacement theory.
One's idea that if you said people of color are coming here to replace white people in positions of power and politics and education, you would have been considered a Nazi, and rightfully so for many years.
I mean, like, and not just considered a Nazi, as I also think we need to kind of clarify, you would be perhaps socially ostracized for saying something like that. It would be, if people didn't think it was racist, they would at least think it was a very poor taste.
Exactly. You would not be invited to the cookout, basically, if you would. You wouldn't be invited over for the dinner party. No, exactly. I don't think you'd be invited for the kids' baptism or the wedding. And if you espouse these ideas, even in a public space online, people would say, this is outrageous, and you'd be attacked.
But now these ideas have become mainstream and have allowed people of color to say, you know what? I agree. I agree with this. And before, that wasn't the case. And that's allowed you to engage in these spaces and to be accepted, even as ludicrous as it seemed. In the past, we didn't have this pathway where where you could embrace it.
Like before, I suppose, let's say as a thought exercise, if you were a person of color, if you were say a black person, right? And you were like, I'm really trying to get down with some of the things that the KKK and the Nazis are talking about. They're going to see you and not want you in the club. You can't go to the meeting. You can't hang out with them. That's not how it's going to work.
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Chapter 3: What role do people of color play in the current culture wars?
She went to historic black college. She went to law school. That's been aspirational. I can achieve that. For a certain segment of our communities, that's out of reach. If they're struggling with poverty, they're struggling with day-to-day, now it's an us versus them. And lo and behold, here comes another population, another alternative, Donald Trump and MAGA saying, you're alienated like I am.
I'm going to give you an economic alternative. And then there's pushback. You're selling out. You're this. Even Obama chastised them. And all that does is they dig in. talking about just Latino voters, when you talk to them and you see polling, they will say in polling, yes, I believe Republicans are racist. Okay. But they'll also say Democrats are condescending. So it's a wash.
So if you've got these two on two sides, they'll say, okay, what else you got? And then the other side says, well, I got an economic plan for you. And what does the other side say? Well, I've got an opportunity, blah, blah, blah. Here's a 10 point plan. It doesn't resonate.
Well, yeah, and I can also see how that's like that kind of visibility for, you know, maybe someone like a Nicki Minaj or Snoop Dogg or... Or even someone like Nick Fuentes or Candace Owens. The Trump embrace of those kinds of people when they have happened, I could see how that might signal to someone who feels disenfranchised by liberal elites on the left or rather in the camp of Democrats.
I could see a way, given everything you've just laid out, that they might look disenfranchised. at that Trump table, right, where, as you say, if you agree with him or if you agree with his doctrine, then you may possibly be able to get a seat at the table if you get enough visibility. Yeah, that might feel welcoming. That might make you feel seen.
That is, I'm sorry, a lot of things are adding up as I'm talking to you.
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