Brittany Luce

Okay, so we've been talking a lot about categories here like CCM, gospel, worship music.

Why should we be paying attention to these categories?

Why do they matter?

And then you have gospel, which typically comes from the black church.

You know, think soaring vocals, mass choirs and praise breaks, as opposed to kind of like the more mellow country tinged sounds of CCM.

And now you're seeing Black gospel artists crossing over into the historically white CCM territory, right?

Right.

The sound is different.

The musical lineage is different.

And a lot of that is rooted in segregation.

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So CCLI is basically licensing their music to different churches, which is used way more in white churches than black churches.

And the money behind the CCM machine is basically shaping the culture of contemporary Christianity and thus the entire musical ecosystem.

I know that a big part of that has been megachurches and how megachurches kind of play into all of this.

I'm thinking of, you know, churches like Bethel or Hillsong.

I've been to a Hillsong service here in New York.

And something that was apparent in the space, you know, where this is like a theater space in New York, and it's not your traditional church and people are dressed casually.

And the pastor was wearing...