Brittany Luce

It's one thing to talk about what's happening with priests in their congregations.

It's quite another thing to see some of this, like,

very Christian rhetoric coming up in government communications.

What's standing out to you about the ways the government is using the language of the Bible?

I'll say this.

I was raised going to church.

I'm sure my parents are listening right now.

They're like, girl, you should remember some of this stuff.

Like, you should really remember some of this.

I'm wondering, like, Gabriel, how are these examples that Jason has brought up of how different government officials are sort of interpreting biblical text?

How does that square with your own understanding of the Bible?

Oh my gosh, I know that one.

You know, you've brought up so many different examples, Gabriel, of how scripture has been used throughout history to justify certain political actions.

But I wonder if there are any specific examples of the U.S.

government using scripture in support of their actions or agenda.

Jason, is that something that has come up in your reporting?

You know, one of the things that's been kind of on my mind about this really prominently is like, technically, technically,

America is a secular nation.

In 1983, did Ronald Reagan declare it the year of the Bible?

Yes.