Bruna Papandrea

And it was the same people in that room with me.

It was the same obstetrician, the same midwife, my grief counselor was there and no one was crying more than my husband.

He was crying so much.

I thought they were going to put a nappy on him.

So, yeah, look, that song, Stevie spoke to racism in a way that I'd never heard anyone.

He'd wrapped it up in this almost joyous sound and he made, you know, really difficult things to get your head around sort of okay.

Yeah.

And he became, you know, my artistic musical god and still is to this day.

So that's always fraught for me.

Oh, Mary.

So...

My daughter always says, Mama, what do you want for Mother's Day?

And I said three hours in my bedroom.

And also my dad died when I was young so Christmases were a shit show too.

And it wasn't the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth.

It was the seventh.

It was when the novelty wore off, when it started to become normal to be, you know, just two or three of us and that's when Bruna and I decided we were going to do Orphan's Christmases from that.

point on.

So I think it is an opportunity to really just say, this feels terrible and this doesn't work for me.

And I'm going to try find a way to turn it into something else or reimagine what it can look like, because that's what we do.