Bryan Callen

My friend who did heroin, I may as well say it, Artie Lang.

He said it on the podcast.

He said he did heroin the first time, and as his head hit the pillow, he went, I'm in trouble.

Oh, yeah.

I'm going to chase this dragon.

Yeah, man.

For some people, that shit will grab you.

It's just not sustainable.

I don't, that's the thing about addiction, you know, I, or just anything in life.

If you want to be good at something, I actually don't think you can do it necessarily.

I mean, some people can maybe, but I don't know how long, when you say, when you talk about discipline, when you say, I'm just not going to do it, you, that works for some people, but I don't think it works for people like that.

I think what they have to do is figure out a way to make sobriety more pleasurable than the other thing.

They do.

Remember I said to you, we were talking and I said, I think you had gotten some, you know, it was in the press, you signed some deal or something.

And I said, you know, I've known you 30 years.

And the one thing, the only thing that's changed about you is you've gotten more peace of mind.

Like you just haven't changed really.

Like you just not, you haven't changed.

And I said, what do you think it is?

Which I'm always careful about talking about because I don't want anybody, any of my friends to get into their head about it, right?