Bryan Callen

And I was like, fuck, man.

I am.

I'm either listening because I want somebody to confirm my bias or I'm listening because I maybe want to hear something I kind of already know or it'll be a different twist that somehow in my mind I can use as an argument against somebody I already disagree with.

It's all that shit, right?

Ew.

I listen to, I'm fucking reading novels now.

I'm not doing it anymore.

I'm fucking done.

Novels are cool.

Yeah.

My problem is, I don't think you do this at all, but I do know there are people, you can make a lot of money in the podcast space, in the influencer space, if you draw strong good guy, bad guy narratives.

And if you can make those narratives biblical, please, now you're really in the money.

And I'm always wary of that.

I'm always wary of that reductionist kind of idea that bring...

I do think there are sometimes there are good guys and bad guys.

I think there is good and evil.

I think that's worth a worthy conversation to have.

But man, you got to be careful about getting sucked into those narratives because sometimes it's not that simple.

I know you're less inflamed than me, but let's calm down.

You see this now with like, you've got to give Trump some credit for bringing peace to a part of the world where, you know, that's been worse since Moses had a parting of the ways with the Pharaoh.