Bryan Cantrill

That's right. Oh, man.

That's right. Oh, man.

Right. I know. I wish I were making it up. So there we go. It's all lived experience. I also felt like that whole experience, though, was also just a good reminder of like, okay, no, no, no. Why am I here? Because it's very easy. When employees are all checking the stock ticker every day, it's like it's... Oh, yeah.

Right. I know. I wish I were making it up. So there we go. It's all lived experience. I also felt like that whole experience, though, was also just a good reminder of like, okay, no, no, no. Why am I here? Because it's very easy. When employees are all checking the stock ticker every day, it's like it's... Oh, yeah.

You know, and I always felt that one of the things that was an interesting observation, I felt, Adam, that we did much better work at Sun in the bus than we ever did in the boom. And I think it's just... when you kind of take away that, but when you get everyone there for much more intrinsic reasons, when you take it, because the, because the extrinsic motivation has gone to three.

You know, and I always felt that one of the things that was an interesting observation, I felt, Adam, that we did much better work at Sun in the bus than we ever did in the boom. And I think it's just... when you kind of take away that, but when you get everyone there for much more intrinsic reasons, when you take it, because the, because the extrinsic motivation has gone to three.

So it's like, it wasn't a hundred and now it's, it wasn't a hundred and my extrinsic motivation is now at three. So it's like, well, I think you need to go look for some intrinsic motivation around here.

So it's like, it wasn't a hundred and now it's, it wasn't a hundred and my extrinsic motivation is now at three. So it's like, well, I think you need to go look for some intrinsic motivation around here.

He can trade for less than it's cash on hand. That's uh, that was always like, thank you Wall Street for that high praise. Like you were treating us like less than the literal cash, like forget real estate. Like this is like actual cash on hand. Like you don't act, it's like, oh, this is fun. We're having a good time over here.

He can trade for less than it's cash on hand. That's uh, that was always like, thank you Wall Street for that high praise. Like you were treating us like less than the literal cash, like forget real estate. Like this is like actual cash on hand. Like you don't act, it's like, oh, this is fun. We're having a good time over here.

It does.

It does.

Yeah, and I also think it's a very important point that when you have this kind of larger adversity, there's a lot of positivity that can come out of it, even though it can be very hard to see at the time. Because I also feel that we're talking about, you talk about your dad in 1973. 1973 was not a good time in the U.S.,

Yeah, and I also think it's a very important point that when you have this kind of larger adversity, there's a lot of positivity that can come out of it, even though it can be very hard to see at the time. Because I also feel that we're talking about, you talk about your dad in 1973. 1973 was not a good time in the U.S.,

you are just outside of a deeply unpopular war that, that had, that had, I mean, had, uh, and a draft that had really ripped apart the country. You had a, uh, a president in the office that would later resign in. And, uh, I mean, it's just like, there was a lot kind of going on. There were, there were plenty of reasons for pessimism in 1973. Yeah.

you are just outside of a deeply unpopular war that, that had, that had, I mean, had, uh, and a draft that had really ripped apart the country. You had a, uh, a president in the office that would later resign in. And, uh, I mean, it's just like, there was a lot kind of going on. There were, there were plenty of reasons for pessimism in 1973. Yeah.

And it's very easy kind of in hindsight to be like, oh, how amazing would it have been to be at Xerox PARC in 1973? And it was amazing, but it also was like, just don't overly romanticize the larger time that it lived in.

And it's very easy kind of in hindsight to be like, oh, how amazing would it have been to be at Xerox PARC in 1973? And it was amazing, but it also was like, just don't overly romanticize the larger time that it lived in.

That part of what made that, I mean, part of that, I think that's the purity of Xerox PARC is you've got people talk about intrinsic motivation, especially your dad, where it's like, no, I am as stubborn as, as you're right.

That part of what made that, I mean, part of that, I think that's the purity of Xerox PARC is you've got people talk about intrinsic motivation, especially your dad, where it's like, no, I am as stubborn as, as you're right.