Bryan Cantrill

when it was great was you would stumble into one of these like delightful communities and of like super nerds um and you know suddenly you've got you know top scientists in the field who are i mean just absolutely nerding out and going very deep on a particular subject and it's very nice to be able to like when you find those you feel like you've tripped over something

And I think it's like feeds are going to make it way easier to find those. And I just think that like the, there's so much we can go do to find amazing feeds. I also want, I want feeds for podcasts too. It's like my own, now we're getting into my own like weird agendas, but like podcast search is so bad. And I, I,

I think I want feeds for other things in my life, not just posts, not just skeets is what I got to say. I think it's amazing.

Yeah, but you're going to turn 39 when all the other millennials turn 39, Steve. You're not beating the allegation here. Listen, Paul, this is why we're trying to talk about BBSs and the Beastie Boys, just to get Gen X here pulling on it a little bit. I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. So feeds were obviously, I think, really important. And I think feeds are going to be even more important.

I think we're going to see a lot of creativity. I don't know. I'd be interested to get your take on it. But I just feel like, boy, there's so much stuff that's possible there, especially when you go to look at things like LLMs. I mean, there's a lot you can go do there that hasn't been done yet that would be really exciting. Yeah.

Well, and I think that also part of what I'm really excited about is that I think that we've kind of had this era of maximum engagement. And we are seeing kind of the logical conclusion of that in Twitter. And I think I actually want a world where we're actually able to find the hidden nuggets a lot more easily.

And we're able to find that the delightful bits that are at the edges are, to me, way more interesting and way more delightful. And I just feel that feeds are an important way of getting that stuff. It's just like the quiet feed, Steve. Let's get to the people that don't say very much, but when they say something, it's meaningful.

I do think, by the way, that there are a lot of opportunities. I think people will pay for things that add value, and I think there is opportunity to monetize a bunch of this stuff. Adam, this is where our inner VCs are coming out. What's wrong with us? We're broken human beings. That's right.

Totally. So you mentioned feeds, and then the other thing that you wanted to, that you were rethinking kind of at the same time was moderation. And what was your, obviously, another, I mean, just age-old issue in social networking and now a hotter issue than ever, just with our divisive era. What was your thinking on moderation?

Because when you rolled out the beta, moderation was still pretty primitive in terms of the tools that were offered for folks.

Like feeds, you're saying, look, there's not going to be one way to moderate. Can you talk about that approach? Because I think that's a really interesting approach. We're going to allow people to moderate in different ways and allow people to give people some transparency and some choice among different approaches to moderation. I'm probably being overly reductive there, but...

I have to say it's kind of remarkable. And as you said, it permeates your thinking of like thinking, and you call it the credible exit in your paper in terms of thinking beyond blue sky organizationally, I think is kind of remarkable and unusual, I think, for an organization to think we need to build in the things that

that will survive an arbitrary change in management and arbitrary, I mean, which is kind of, I mean, it reminds me of open source in that regard that where, you know, we are open sourcing this to assure basically that it, that it can endure, it can endure beyond its corporate vessel.

And, you know, not that Adam and I might be speaking from personal experience a couple of times over, but the corporate, corporate vessels don't endure folks. The, except for this one, of course, for whatever one you happen to find yourself in. Right.

exactly um so i i think that that that is uh the guy how do i boot some out of a discord larry ellison buys blue sky who would say such a terrible thing i unfortunately oh my god i'm so sorry paul this is the the demographic that we attract you know these are um um But I think that like being able to kind of think beyond yourselves in that way is, is really pretty interesting.

Can you speak to some of the specific tools that you books? I mean, in particular, like I love the ability to detach a quote tweet, I think is a really, I mean, that's not one that I've seen before. Could you talk about some of the stuff that you've done to just give some tools out there for folks?

2019 somewhere around there and like you experienced that once and i think you'll realize like oh this is you gotta have something to slow this down um yeah so yes i adam actually once gave me the book so you've been publicly shamed which i would highly recommend not necessarily being publicly shamed but uh adam obviously thought of me immediately when he saw the book so i i think that's uh nobody on this voice call has been publicly shamed at all definitely not never before

Yeah, I mean... So are there other things that you all did like that? I mean, I think it's like one of the things that I think is interesting is that mute lists and block lists are public. And I'm sure this is an issue that is controversial. Oh, yeah. Not to have you weighted to every issue of controversy, but I mean, one of the things I really didn't like or I thought was lame about Twitter...

is when you had very powerful people that would block people that they disagreed with. And I was like, that's not kind of not what it's for. Mark Andreessen, the blocking functionality is not so you can block me. Sorry. Not to overly personalize it, but I've always been like... I've always wanted to be like, Hey, so I find Mark Andreessen, you get to block little old me.

I also like, I kind of want to follow everyone that you're blocking. So, cause I think I would like, like them a lot. So I just want to like, have a feed of people that Mark Andreessen blocked and that requires public block list.