Bryan Cantrill

Oh, but that's not why we, Yeah, I know. So do I get kicked out? Yeah, you're out. Of course you're out. Can't you read the sign? Get out of here.

And I mean, obviously you've seen that, I mean, as the popularity and it's just, it must be still a bit surreal to watch the popularity of blue sky really stumble into like, I mean, not stumble, but really become, I mean, like for whatever reason, Adam, you said ESPN has got a blue sky account now. I mean, I just felt like, wow, that is a blue sky has really arrived. Um,

But presumably with that has become, I mean, you get a lot of people who are trolls in the kind of the oldest sense of really deliberately wanting to get a rise out of people who are now attracted to the social network because of its very success. I mean, I assume, is that fair that you've seen more users, more problems, I assume? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Is it possible that their training data is only older siblings? God, I know. Yeah.

The older siblings, like, I mean, cause older siblings do. And I look, I say this as an older sibling. I mean, you just like, you optimize the least amount of effort for the most amount of, of reaction. And it's like,

yeah i mean it's they're very very good at it um especially you know when the i when my oldest has like the countdown to when my 17 year old is going to crash out is the new term for like going it's just like it's you know uh so i think this is very deep in the human psyche is what i'm saying it's like you're trying to contend with something that is uh very very deep um

And so, I mean, how do you... I mean, you said that the things that you've deployed seem to be so far holding up. Have there been any surprises there in terms of... Or maybe you've just been surprised by the scope and depth of some of these efforts.

Well, that's great. And I mean, I think also, is this where I presumably at proto is helpful where you think like, this is not like your fight alone, that there are other folks that can like start implementing some of their own ideas. I mean, if you, in terms of like getting into the, the, like the, the technical details of how those moderation servers actually work.

Because I think one of the interesting things, the observations you had is that the skill set to like run one's own server and the skill set to moderate don't overlap very much. Yeah. Can you speak to some of the innovation that you're kind of, I mean, are you seeing some innovation there as kind of third parties experiment with different ways to moderate?

Totally. So how do these labels work? Where are the labels actually stored?

And then, so I subscribe, though, to these labeling services. So I get to choose, like, if there's a label that I really like, I can subscribe to that. Is that right?

Well, that UX definitely doesn't clutter anything else in that it is definitely... That's great. I actually did not know this at all. And going to, like, someone in the chat had linked to the U.S. government contributions labeler. Yeah, I think so. And this seems like, I mean, this seems like a really good experiment.

Because then, of course, I want to know, okay, what are the labelers that Adam subscribes to? Because I may want those same labelers, or maybe those are labelers just to avoid, because, you know, that guy, I don't know. I mean, he just kicked me out of the Blocked by P. Marker Club because I'm no longer blocked by P. Marker. So I don't know. I've got kind of some axes to grind over there.

But I mean, it just feels like you're giving people kind of another tool to go experiment with this problem that you did not create called bad humans. But also like good humans that actually want to come in and help offer some clarity on some of this stuff. I don't know. I think it's really... To me, it's really inspiring.

I know it's kind of strange to be inspired by the encroaching 8chan of the internet, but I really do think it's inspiring.

Well, that's exactly it. I feel like it's the giving it a shot bit, and I feel that learning from so many previous experiences, and then also doing it all in the open, because this is all... I mean, you're all open source, right? In addition to having these open specifications, you've got... all or much of your software is actually out there in the open.

That is awesome, and congratulations on that. That is really terrific. Close to without precedent, I assume? Certainly for a social app, it feels like it's without precedent.

This is the very first time. I was just going to ask you, you've obviously got a lot of challenges still ahead, in part because of the popularity. What have been some of the surprises along the way of things that maybe have worked better than you thought, or worked much worse than you thought?

I don't know, maybe you were putting scenes into that category, at least in terms of nomenclature, but what are What are some of the things that you were or are there things that you've been kind of surprised by along the way?

Yeah.