Bryan Cantrill

So it's like, it wasn't a hundred and now it's, it wasn't a hundred and my extrinsic motivation is now at three. So it's like, well, I think you need to go look for some intrinsic motivation around here.

So it's like, it wasn't a hundred and now it's, it wasn't a hundred and my extrinsic motivation is now at three. So it's like, well, I think you need to go look for some intrinsic motivation around here.

He can trade for less than it's cash on hand. That's uh, that was always like, thank you Wall Street for that high praise. Like you were treating us like less than the literal cash, like forget real estate. Like this is like actual cash on hand. Like you don't act, it's like, oh, this is fun. We're having a good time over here.

He can trade for less than it's cash on hand. That's uh, that was always like, thank you Wall Street for that high praise. Like you were treating us like less than the literal cash, like forget real estate. Like this is like actual cash on hand. Like you don't act, it's like, oh, this is fun. We're having a good time over here.

It does.

It does.

Yeah, and I also think it's a very important point that when you have this kind of larger adversity, there's a lot of positivity that can come out of it, even though it can be very hard to see at the time. Because I also feel that we're talking about, you talk about your dad in 1973. 1973 was not a good time in the U.S.,

Yeah, and I also think it's a very important point that when you have this kind of larger adversity, there's a lot of positivity that can come out of it, even though it can be very hard to see at the time. Because I also feel that we're talking about, you talk about your dad in 1973. 1973 was not a good time in the U.S.,

you are just outside of a deeply unpopular war that, that had, that had, I mean, had, uh, and a draft that had really ripped apart the country. You had a, uh, a president in the office that would later resign in. And, uh, I mean, it's just like, there was a lot kind of going on. There were, there were plenty of reasons for pessimism in 1973. Yeah.

you are just outside of a deeply unpopular war that, that had, that had, I mean, had, uh, and a draft that had really ripped apart the country. You had a, uh, a president in the office that would later resign in. And, uh, I mean, it's just like, there was a lot kind of going on. There were, there were plenty of reasons for pessimism in 1973. Yeah.

And it's very easy kind of in hindsight to be like, oh, how amazing would it have been to be at Xerox PARC in 1973? And it was amazing, but it also was like, just don't overly romanticize the larger time that it lived in.

And it's very easy kind of in hindsight to be like, oh, how amazing would it have been to be at Xerox PARC in 1973? And it was amazing, but it also was like, just don't overly romanticize the larger time that it lived in.

That part of what made that, I mean, part of that, I think that's the purity of Xerox PARC is you've got people talk about intrinsic motivation, especially your dad, where it's like, no, I am as stubborn as, as you're right.

That part of what made that, I mean, part of that, I think that's the purity of Xerox PARC is you've got people talk about intrinsic motivation, especially your dad, where it's like, no, I am as stubborn as, as you're right.

And so let me ask you about that because I think that I do think that, that, uh, there is a gig and cultural breakthroughs in Silicon Valley. I mean, when, you know, in 1973, the world is very command and control and Xerox is very command and control, right?

And so let me ask you about that because I think that I do think that, that, uh, there is a gig and cultural breakthroughs in Silicon Valley. I mean, when, you know, in 1973, the world is very command and control and Xerox is very command and control, right?

I mean, that's part of, you've got these kind of park, these, these nuts out on the West coast, but Xerox as a company is actually very command and control. It's part of the reason that they do fumble the future is there's such an impedance mismatch between the way Xerox is structured and the way park is structured. Yeah. 100%.

I mean, that's part of, you've got these kind of park, these, these nuts out on the West coast, but Xerox as a company is actually very command and control. It's part of the reason that they do fumble the future is there's such an impedance mismatch between the way Xerox is structured and the way park is structured. Yeah. 100%.

But the way Park was structured is actually much more fitting for what are going to be the next 50 years. And you look at the innovative companies and at their peak of innovation, and they all are structured. I mean, they look pretty similar to Park in terms of...

But the way Park was structured is actually much more fitting for what are going to be the next 50 years. And you look at the innovative companies and at their peak of innovation, and they all are structured. I mean, they look pretty similar to Park in terms of...