Bryan Hancock

And we can increase the number of repetitions, increase the relative safety and respect that actually happens in our training environment, and ensure a level of proficiency or familiarity before they ever even make it to the shop floor to be productive from day one.

Yes.

Ships being the new chips.

I mean, talk about economically viable.

And yet we still see a shortage of workers going into shipbuilding, particularly in the skilled trades.

Right.

And some of those perceptions have to do not only with young talent themselves, but what do their parents think?

Right.

And don't I need to get a four year degree?

Right.

And even though I can make six figures as a welder, you know, three, four years coming out of college.

So that's what we're up against in shipbuilding.

And a lot of the manufacturing jobs have this kind of stigma associated with them that is not...

completely rational in some instances.

Yeah.

Susie, I wonder just from a company perspective, what would you say to, let's say, a CHRO, a Chief Human Resource Officer, who wants to help his or her employees become better versions of themselves, according to the book that you've written?

What are some of the ways that they could do that?

Including, I think of like at the start of the talent cycle, better assessment, right?

To better sort and place people.

I think of upskilling, reskilling that could take into account