Bryce Crawford

Having Jesus, he is the prize.

And we read time and time again throughout scripture, you know, Moses had a stutter.

Paul in 2 Corinthians 12 writes, hey, I got a thorn in my side and it's pissing me off.

And I mean, he's like the goat of Christianity, wrote most of the New Testament, one of the most impactful, if not arguably the most impactful Christian in all of history.

He's like, yeah, you know, I have a lot to brag about, but I've got a thorn in my side.

Even Paul said that God allowed suffering in Paul's life

because it kept him humble and reliant on God.

And so this idea that everyone needs to be healthy and wealthy and prosper, and if you're not that way, it's because you're not praying enough or reading your Bible enough or because it has something to do with you.

I have a hard time seeing that in scripture.

And so we got the opportunity to sit down with him.

First sit-down interview, I think, in over 15 years.

Wow.

And we got the opportunity to sit down with him.

And you know what?

I told them up front.

I said, look, I'm going to be respectful.

I'm not mean.

I mean, I don't agree with the prosperity message, but I'm willing to talk.

We sat down.

He's 89 years old.