Bryce Leske

And I think, as I said, no surprise, a lot of products coming out now have that sort of focus, a lot of the fund managers and

listed products um you know are sort of catering to the demands of the investing world at the moment um yeah so i think it's interesting that people who are first starting as well are starting out saying i want to build a portfolio that is sustainable or has an esg focus right from the get-go which is something that when we started five years ago certainly

wasn't um wasn't as prolific as it is now and um i think it's only going to continue that way and um you know we talk of getting to a point where there won't be such a thing as sustainable investing because all companies are going to have to in some way shape or form um be able to prove that they are you know able to fit under that sort of banner

Although it's challenging at the moment with, you know, a lot of companies will say that they have some form of ESG, put it in the report as a bit of a buzzword.

And it's difficult at the moment to really understand what does ESG mean to you?

And then how do you apply that in your investing?

I don't think there's any, you know, amazing tool out there at the moment that lets you kind of say, this is how I want to invest sustainably.

And it'll give you a list of companies that kind of tick all those boxes because, you

Sustainable ESG to me is different to ESG to REN is different to ESG to the both of you.

So, yeah, I think there's a massive opportunity for someone to come out and really own that sort of process of helping beginners or everyone with their ESG journey.

Trademark, we might do that.

I always used to see all these fund managers in the Warren Buffets of the world pumping out massive returns by stock picking kind of on what Alec was saying there.

And so when I started, I thought you needed to try and pick stocks to beat the market.

But over the last five years, it's been very clear that there is no real need to try and beat the market.

You can take some passive approaches and

The power of the market return, the average market return over a long period of time is more than adequate for an investor who doesn't have the time to do research into individual companies.

And we know that fund managers themselves often struggle to beat the market as well, particularly in an environment like this where the market's just pumping out ridiculous returns.

So for me...

The biggest learning and the comfort comes from knowing that there's really nothing wrong with a market return and taking that over a long period of time.

You're going to do very well as an investor.