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Cade Metz

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
129 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

People generally agree that this is not what we're going through at the moment.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Let's not go that far.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

That said, they do point out that there are elements that we're seeing now that were also present then.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Basically, this is about the enormous amount of debt that is being taken on to build these data centers, the enormous amount of money that's being borrowed to build them.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

And as you look at that debt, it's hard to know how much there is and who is holding the debt.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

If that debt is spread across a lot of companies, then you have more systemic risk.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

You have greater risk that could damage the rest of the economy.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Well, some companies are not taking on debt to do this.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Some companies like Google and Microsoft and Meta pull in billions of dollars in revenue every year.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

They can afford to essentially pay cash for these giant data centers.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

But there's so much interest in AI.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

There's so much demand for the computing power that comes out of these data centers that we're seeing all sorts of other companies build these giant facilities when they don't have the money to do it.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Even relatively big companies like Oracle, the cloud computing giant, is having to take on debt to build data centers.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

And then you have all these smaller companies that most people on Earth have never heard of with names like CoreWeave, Lambda, and Nebius.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

They are certainly taking on debt to do this.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Corweave, a company based in the New York, New Jersey area, has told financial analysts that for every $5 billion in data center infrastructure they build, they have to take on almost $3 billion in debt.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

In the end...

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

They think that they will pull in the revenues needed to pay back those debts.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

But ultimately, if the AI technology does not pull in the money, then you can't repay those debts.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

And that's when you have a problem.