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Cade Metz

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
141 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Some companies like Google and Microsoft and Meta pull in billions of dollars in revenue every year.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

They can afford to essentially pay cash for these giant data centers.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

But there's so much interest in AI.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

There's so much demand for the computing power that comes out of these data centers that we're seeing all sorts of other companies build these giant facilities when they don't have the money to do it.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Even relatively big companies like Oracle, the cloud computing giant, is having to take on debt to build data centers.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

And then you have all these smaller companies that most people on Earth have never heard of with names like CoreWeave, Lambda, and Nebius.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

They are certainly taking on debt to do this.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Corweave, a company based in the New York, New Jersey area, has told financial analysts that for every $5 billion in data center infrastructure they build, they have to take on almost $3 billion in debt.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

In the end...

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

They think that they will pull in the revenues needed to pay back those debts.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

But ultimately, if the AI technology does not pull in the money, then you can't repay those debts.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

And that's when you have a problem.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Well, some of the debt is taken on in the way you might think.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

These companies go to a bank and they borrow the money.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

And you know exactly who lent it, who borrowed it, how much it is.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

But increasingly, we're seeing other deals where it's hard to see where the debt is and how much of it there is.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

A lot of the money is being lent by what are called private credit institutions.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

Legally, you can't see inside these companies.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

The other thing that's happening is you're seeing the rise of these securities.

The Daily
Is There an A.I. Bubble? And What if It Pops?

They call them asset-backed securities, something that came up during the housing bubble that people may be familiar with.