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Caitlin Dickerson

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

You know, they want to encourage self-deportation.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So it's absolutely the case that the look and feel of ICE is really different right now.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I think people are right to feel that way.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

It's

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

The massive increase in boots on the ground, it's the tactics that are being used, it's the locations that arrests are taking place.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Historically, ICE had a policy that made courthouses, schools, and hospitals off limits for immigration enforcement for the same reason, to prioritize safety.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

That policy is now gone, and I think both for purposes of efficiency and getting as many deportations done as possible, but also playing into the drama, now you see ICE very frequently in those places.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

When it comes to the former law enforcement officials, what they make of the propaganda is grave concern because they feel like it's taking away from the legitimacy of this agency.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I mean, ICE, people will tell you, has always kind of been the redheaded stepchild of federal law enforcement.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

It's a less prestigious job.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

It's easier to get into than other federal law enforcement agencies, and it's always politicized.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And so there was this real emphasis to...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

learn the law and to apply the law with a certain degree of professionalism to kind of give ICE more legitimacy as a serious federal law enforcement agency.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

My best impression of the situation is that whereas before there was very thorough training to explain what are people's civil rights, what is immigration law, what are your authorities and what are not your authorities as a deportation officer.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Now,

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Training is dramatically truncated, and basically the message has come down to do what you got to do to bring people into custody.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So what I'm hearing from these former officials is that the propaganda and the videos are taking away from that impression, really making the public quite skeptical of them.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And they feel the same way about the fact that officers now are routinely wearing masks and refusing to identify themselves.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

All of it sort of takes away from how seriously they're viewed as a law enforcement agency.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

That's right.