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Caitlin Dickerson

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697 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So we had about 7,000 ICE agents toward the end of the Biden administration.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And the Trump administration says that they've hired 12,000 people since then.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Some percentage are people who'd retired from immigration enforcement before, so they have some experience.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But we're talking about a lot of new faces now.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

They're trying to hire as many former law enforcement agents as they can just to bring people in with some familiarity with how to do this type of work.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But there are lots of people, it seems, within this new workforce who have absolutely no experience and who are learning how to enforce the law, how to carry a weapon, how to interact with the public, just starting from square one right now.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So it varies.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Some of the messaging says that the Department of Homeland Security is looking to hire patriots, looking to hire people who want to defend and protect the country.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But we're also seeing a lot of explicit references to white nationalist ideas and the kind of dog whistles that we've all become used to.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

When Trump is president, so they've used slogans, they've referenced songs, they've used images, they speak to manifest destiny and this idea that the United States was the land intended for white people.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Language that I think to people who are unfamiliar with these phrases, it just seems kind of weird.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

It seems kind of old fashioned, strange and odd.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But the fact is that if you're a member of the Proud Boys or you're a follower of QAnon, you recognize these exact phrases that are being used as a kind of call to action and to apply for a job as an ICE agent.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I make of that that Miller's trying to communicate to ICE and to these new members of ICE in particular that they will not face consequences for use of force specifically.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I think he's speaking to the ICE officer who shot Renee Good in Minnesota last week and killed her, but also to officers who've used tear gas, who've pushed and shoved and arrested protesters, who've claimed that people who are filming them are...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

impeding arrests and using that as a pretense to either take those people into custody or have some sort of violent altercation with them.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

It's very striking.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I was talking to one former ICE official who told me that, you know, you would always fear discharging your weapon in an interaction, even a

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

potentially violent and a dangerous one, usually the concern was that officers would be too unwilling to use their gun because they worried about potential repercussions.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And there were all these layers of investigation that would take place after a shooting.