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Caitlin Dickerson

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And so...

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

his fear when he was in ICE for 30 years was that he wouldn't use his gun in a moment when he needed to.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And now it's almost as if the opposite fear is true.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And we've seen within ICE people losing their jobs

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

high-level officials losing their jobs because they're not delivering enough deportations, they're not being aggressive enough.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And so I think Miller is just underscoring that argument that you're not going to get in trouble for being too aggressive.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And in fact, the only thing you will get in trouble for is not being aggressive enough.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So it's happened a couple of different times.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

The very head of ICE was replaced.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

A deputy was replaced.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And then we've also seen several field office directors.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So ICE has the country divided into individual field offices.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And those directors are the people who are overseeing the officers carrying out these deportations, talking to them on a daily basis, communicating quotas and guidelines.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And we've seen a significant number of those field office directors taken off of their duties and replaced with officials from the Border Patrol.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I think that's really significant because the Border Patrol in general, reputationally, is viewed even within the Department of Homeland Security as a tougher and wild, wild west almost type of environment that they tend to work in.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But also there are legal differences.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

What people's rights are at the border are different from their rights within the interior of the country.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So the border has been relatively, compared to the past, empty since Trump took office.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And so you have a lot of border officials who are available and have been detailed to American cities to support ICE.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And I think that you're seeing the difference in the way that they're used to working in these interactions that we're watching in American cities.