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Caitlin Dickerson

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820 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I was talking to one former ICE official who told me that, you know, you would always fear discharging your weapon in an interaction, even a

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

potentially violent and a dangerous one, usually the concern was that officers would be too unwilling to use their gun because they worried about potential repercussions.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And there were all these layers of investigation that would take place after a shooting.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And so...

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

his fear when he was in ICE for 30 years was that he wouldn't use his gun in a moment when he needed to.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And now it's almost as if the opposite fear is true.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And we've seen within ICE people losing their jobs

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

high-level officials losing their jobs because they're not delivering enough deportations, they're not being aggressive enough.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And so I think Miller is just underscoring that argument that you're not going to get in trouble for being too aggressive.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And in fact, the only thing you will get in trouble for is not being aggressive enough.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So it's happened a couple of different times.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

The very head of ICE was replaced.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

A deputy was replaced.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And then we've also seen several field office directors.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So ICE has the country divided into individual field offices.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And those directors are the people who are overseeing the officers carrying out these deportations, talking to them on a daily basis, communicating quotas and guidelines.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And we've seen a significant number of those field office directors taken off of their duties and replaced with officials from the Border Patrol.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I think that's really significant because the Border Patrol in general, reputationally, is viewed even within the Department of Homeland Security as a tougher and wild, wild west almost type of environment that they tend to work in.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But also there are legal differences.

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

What people's rights are at the border are different from their rights within the interior of the country.

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