Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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With every norm-busting move, with every boundary-busting decision, you get this debate around Donald Trump. Is it authoritarianism now? Has the nature of the American state finally changed into something else? It's not going to be that clean. There's no one moment where we phase from one thing to another.
But I think what we can say, what can't even really be argued, is that the authoritarianism is here. It's just unevenly distributed. But you can see it. You can see it in the video of an ICE officer shooting and killing Renee Goode in Minneapolis. You can see it when you watch a disabled woman dragged out of her car. on her way to a doctor's appointment.
You can see it when a family of eight on its way home from a basketball game is tear gassed and needs to give CPR to their six-month-old child.
I was giving them out to mouth and I remember stopping and I said, I will give you all my breath till you get yours back because nobody wants to see their kids like this.
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Chapter 2: How has ICE changed under the Trump administration?
That is a fairly common thing in authoritarian regimes. We've seen this in other countries. We've seen it in history where you attack your own population and you look for pretexts then to escalate. The question is not how to prevent violence.
the killing of Rene Good from happening again, but actually how to escalate around the killing of Rene Good in order to catch more of the Trump administration's enemies in their net, you know, call the protesters domestic terrorists, etc. It's not exactly knowable, but it is a very important distinction whether this is seen by the Trump administration as a tragedy.
We need to think about how we are training our troops versus part of the policy, actually.
One thing that can be helpful is that the Trump administration usually signals what they want to do before they do it. So, for example, with Title 42, the COVID era border ban, Stephen Miller tried for years to figure out a way to completely cut off access to the southern border and shut down asylum.
And then finally, the COVID-19 pandemic came around and gave him the pretense that made White House lawyers say, OK, now is the time we can shut down the border. I think something similar is happening with the Insurrection Act. Trump has been threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act since his first presidency, and it's coming up again now.
And so I can see why you're saying that there's a perception that there's a desire to create the conditions that would justify something like that as an even further escalation. I mean, we've seen so many. I don't have the sense that individual ICE officers are being told, escalate things as much as possible. Make sure things get violent.
You know, that would be pretty reckless and actionable legally. But what I think we are seeing very clearly, and in Stephen Miller's message that you played a few minutes ago, is that the idea is do what you have to do. Don't focus so much on the laws and the rules and civil rights. Focus on getting people into custody at any cost.
We've been talking about physical raids, but one thing you've written about is how the OPBBA bill, which included a huge amount of money for ICE, for Border Patrol, for the Department of Homeland Security, that included all of that money for advanced technology and surveillance systems.
And that the effort to build a very different form of surveillance network, given advances in AI and digital tools, is ongoing and might create something that is around for a long time. What can you tell me about what's being done or envisioned there?
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Chapter 3: What tactics are ICE using for immigration enforcement now?
Immigration courts are a kind of choke point for deportations because you've got someone in custody, but if they have access to a legal remedy, then they're going to fight their case. And sometimes those cases take years. I think one thing that the cap on judges could reflect is that the Trump administration is trying to find ways that go around the immigration courts to remove people.
So they're trying to expand the use of something called expedited removal, which allows for people to be deported without going before a judge and trying to fight their case. They want to be able to effectuate removals more quickly and just go around the courts entirely if they can.
You spent some time reporting on an immigration court in Virginia. Tell me what you saw there.
So my reporting was actually done on Zoom because immigration court was being done virtually so that it could go more quickly. It's something that started during the pandemic and that's continued into this administration as all messaging and goals and systems are being modified to effectuate deportations as quickly and efficiently as possible.
So what I saw was a judge sitting in an empty courtroom and looking into boxes on her screen, calling people up and moving incredibly quickly through their cases. Most people in court that day were unrepresented by lawyers. As people may or may not know, in immigration court, you don't have the right to an attorney if you can't afford one or to a jury of your peers. And people were panicked.
They were in shambles. I definitely saw the change in this administration wherein most people who are being arrested by ICE on a given day have been in the United States for a long time and have no criminal record. In that, you know, I was hearing parents break down in tears, crying and saying, you know, I'm worried about my child.
There was one father in particular in my story who said he was arrested in front of his two youngest children who were both under five years old. He said he was desperately worried about how they were going to survive without him.
People like this father, but others too, were asking about their children and how they were going to be dealt with because they'd been taken away from their children when they were arrested. And the judge really seemed uninterested in answering their questions, was just moving very quickly through their cases. you know, there's all this focus on numbers.
Each one of them, I was reminded in court, is not a number, is a person and has family and has employers and a community that is impacted each time that this happens. So I was just, I was really struck by the speed with which this judge was moving through cases. You know, you could tell that a lot of people were confused.
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Chapter 4: What impact does the new immigration enforcement infrastructure have?
And so they extrapolated from this very small census and declared that 1.9 million people had left the country, which does not seem true.
So I want to, with all this in mind, get at what has been happening in Minneapolis. What was the administration's justification for this operation?
So the administration said this operation in Minneapolis had to take place because of rampant fraud there. And there is a longstanding federal investigation going on about COVID-19 relief funds and fraud in Minnesota. But really, Trump seems to have latched onto this video that was posted online by Nick Shirley. He's this young right-wing politician.
social media video influencer who went around Minneapolis to daycare sites claiming that they were fraudulent, that they had no children inside, when in fact, of course, a strange man who's showing up outside of a daycare videoing what's going on is probably not going to let that person inside to see children, if there are children there.
Like letting them in?
You probably don't want to let that guy in. And we don't know. You know, there is active investigation going on in Minnesota about legitimate fraud.
It does not mean there's not fraud, but it does mean that I'm not sure I would take that video as strong evidence.
Exactly. But the administration took it and ran with it and launched what they're calling the largest immigration enforcement operation in the country as a result of it. There are so many things to talk about with sort of what's going wrong in Minnesota. One thing to point out, though, is that fraud, again, even if it's happening, is a white-collar crime.
And so the idea that it deserves a response that involves weapons and officers in the street and stopping people at random... really doesn't make sense. I mean, the way that you research fraud is on the computer. You're looking at records. You're maybe eventually going out and doing some investigative work to shore up what people have claimed to be true about their businesses.
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