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Caitlin Dickerson

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425 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

learn the law and to apply the law with a certain degree of professionalism to kind of give ICE more legitimacy as a serious federal law enforcement agency.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

My best impression of the situation is that whereas before there was very thorough training to explain what are people's civil rights, what is immigration law, what are your authorities and what are not your authorities as a deportation officer.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Now,

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Training is dramatically truncated, and basically the message has come down to do what you got to do to bring people into custody.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So what I'm hearing from these former officials is that the propaganda and the videos are taking away from that impression, really making the public quite skeptical of them.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And they feel the same way about the fact that officers now are routinely wearing masks and refusing to identify themselves.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

All of it sort of takes away from how seriously they're viewed as a law enforcement agency.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

That's right.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So we had about 7,000 ICE agents toward the end of the Biden administration.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And the Trump administration says that they've hired 12,000 people since then.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Some percentage are people who'd retired from immigration enforcement before, so they have some experience.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But we're talking about a lot of new faces now.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

They're trying to hire as many former law enforcement agents as they can just to bring people in with some familiarity with how to do this type of work.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But there are lots of people, it seems, within this new workforce who have absolutely no experience and who are learning how to enforce the law, how to carry a weapon, how to interact with the public, just starting from square one right now.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So it varies.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Some of the messaging says that the Department of Homeland Security is looking to hire patriots, looking to hire people who want to defend and protect the country.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But we're also seeing a lot of explicit references to white nationalist ideas and the kind of dog whistles that we've all become used to.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

When Trump is president, so they've used slogans, they've referenced songs, they've used images, they speak to manifest destiny and this idea that the United States was the land intended for white people.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Language that I think to people who are unfamiliar with these phrases, it just seems kind of weird.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

It seems kind of old fashioned, strange and odd.